>> i finally had the hard frost at my house, i can go out and any of my perennials that are brown, i can cut those back. a lot of my daisies will stay up to provide winter food. it's also a good time to mulch. we're not going to be -- everything has gone dormant, so we can put on a couple inches of mulch that will keep everything warmed up until spring. >> cleanup is a lot of it at this stage of the game, because nothing is going to grow. >> that's right. then there's that leafing thing. in my opinion, i think you ought to cut them in place, mow over them in you're not in a wooded area, grind them up and that will feed your lawn the natural way. if you have to leaf -- if you have to rake them up, put them in a compost pile that will be wonderful in a year or two. >> black gold. >> black gold. >> we'll talk more about, well, you know, modular gardening and what not in your house coming up next on your sunday gardener next sunday. we'll see you then. >> if you have gardening questions, send it to sunday garner -- >> and the new superintendent of maryland schools is in our studio right